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Well I could take a look at your guys method of dumping and if I can manage doing it with the hardware I have hear I'll see about doing up some dumps. (USA 200+, JAP 5+, EUR 1 or 2)

However a few questions up front.

1. Can the dumps be used by NullDC & Makaron?
2. How perfect must the disc's be for dumping? (mint, good, okay, trash)
3. Past the manual disc swap can I automate the rest of it with AutoIt...or is there more human interaction required?
4. Can I verify my own dumps with other disc's I own...or am I treated as a liar just like with TOSEC?
5. Are dumps actively accepted and verified...the lag TOSEC has is unacceptable...100 dumps & only like 10 check in three weeks.
6. You guys going to have issues with the fact I have issues with TOSEC?

Mildly off topic...but has anyone figured out a way to create a more standard image of these dumps? Ideally I'd like to turn all my dumps into compressed MDS\MDF images with DaemonTools.

Nologic wrote:Well I could take a look at your guys method of dumping and if I can manage doing it with the hardware I have hear I'll see about doing up some dumps. (USA 200+, JAP 5+, EUR 1 or 2)
However a few questions up front.
1. Can the dumps be used by NullDC & Makaron?
2. How perfect must the disc's be for dumping? (mint, good, okay, trash)
3. Past the manual disc swap can I automate the rest of it with AutoIt...or is there more human interaction required?
4. Can I verify my own dumps with other disc's I own...or am I treated as a liar just like with TOSEC?
5. Are dumps actively accepted and verified...the lag TOSEC has is unacceptable...100 dumps & only like 10 check in three weeks.
6. You guys going to have issues with the fact I have issues with TOSEC?
Mildly off topic...but has anyone figured out a way to create a more standard image of these dumps? Ideally I'd like to turn all my dumps into compressed MDS\MDF images with DaemonTools.

1. If the .gdi's that the site generates are still correct then they should work (Dremora should know this).
2. Same as with any other system I guess.. To be sure that there's no corruption you can detect errors by extracting the c2 data and checking the .c2 file for non-zero bytes (if it's all zeroes then there's no corruption).
3. This is only possible if there's only a data track in the high density area, but then still I don't really see the advantage of using such tool.
4. Sure. If you verified yourself with 2 discs then we accept that.
5. It shouldn't take longer than a day for the dump to be added. Usually it's added within a couple hours.
6. I don't know if I should comment on this one hehe. We have a bit of a history with TOSEC. Nowadays we try to respect/ignore them, although some members still love to criticize them. Personally I'm impressed with how much they've accomplished already with their gdrom set. However, we still consider our dumps to be more correct, so we think it's good to give people the opportunity to preserve these discs the best possible way.

Not sure what you mean with 'a more standard image'. Of course it's possible to merge all 3 low density tracks into a single binary (by just doing 'copy /b track1+track2+track3') or merging the high density tracks (in case there are audio tracks) just like it's possible for any cd dump, but we choose to store our dumps with splitted tracks because this has certain advantages and provides us with more information (it allows us to compare the checksums of each audio track etc).

It wouldn't make sense to make a single image (like .mdf) out of all tracks (both low and high density), because there's a ring in between both area's which isn't preserved. Therefore it's better to dump both area's to separate images.

If you're serious about dumping gdrom then I highly recommend you to look for a lite-on drive which can extract the whole contents (I have a SOHD-167T which does that).. if you have a dreamcast console with bba then maybe it's also possible to correct these dumps (I believe this is what pnkiller78 did), but unfortunately we don't have a guide on that yet.

Jackal wrote:

Nologic wrote:4. Can I verify my own dumps with other disc's I own...or am I treated as a liar just like with TOSEC?

4. Sure. If you verified yourself with 2 discs then we accept that.

This isn't always good, though. Example - /viewtopic.php?t=2260 … mmander-e/ (was also confirmed twice by the same dumper).

3. Well when your looking at dumping hundreds of disc's it's nice to make it as less error prone as possible. Really I'll just have to get my hands dirty and see what can and can't be done in this area.
4. I'll only be able to do it with maybe 60 disc's at this point...I've given away a lot of dups. Hehe but I still have enough copies of Soul Caliber & Crazy Taxi to reroof my shed.
6. Well I'm not since the USA set should have been finished last year, till they decided to be lazy, followed by pissing in my coffee.

Well the ring couldn't that be compensated by an overly large pregap?...well I'm no storage media wiz thats for sure...but it would be nice to archive my dumps as single images with a cue sheet.

I do have a dreamcast...actually like 4 or 5 still and one BBA...frigging over priced NIC. Not sure if I'm up for buying a another drive...got a ton of Sony's, Plextor's, Toshiba's and really hoping one of them will do the job.

Anyways I guess we'll see what I can cook up.

F1ReB4LL wrote:This isn't always good, though. Example - /viewtopic.php?t=2260 … mmander-e/ (was also confirmed twice by the same dumper).

Well I'd gladly accept any challenge to any of my claims of verification...hehe but I'll call bullshit if its something like Soul Caliber where I have 30 odd copies of the game & I run through them and come up with the same hashes.

Nologic wrote:Well the ring couldn't that be compensated by an overly large pregap?...well I'm no storage media wiz thats for sure...but it would be nice to archive my dumps as single images with a cue sheet.

I guess this is possible, but I'm not sure if the .gdi format supports this.

And good luck testing your drives.

Nologic wrote:till they decided to be lazy, followed by pissing in my coffee.

I must laugh, sorry!

Nologic wrote:Well the ring couldn't that be compensated by an overly large pregap?

I do not think it is a good idea, the original disc has no gap between LOW and HIGH density areas, we have to dump them properly and have to find an other solution.

Nologic wrote:It would be nice to archive my dumps as single images with a cue sheet.

You can just parse all single images together, and create GDI to CUE converter, and add instead of ring area a pregap to the first high density data track, but only to your private copies after you did dump them on the right way

Nologic wrote:Anyways I guess we'll see what I can cook up.

Hopefully it will taste to all of us

Nologic wrote:

F1ReB4LL wrote:This isn't always good, though. Example - /viewtopic.php?t=2260 … mmander-e/ (was also confirmed twice by the same dumper).

Well I'd gladly accept any challenge to any of my claims of verification...hehe but I'll call bullshit if its something like Soul Caliber where I have 30 odd copies of the game & I run through them and come up with the same hashes.

I mean, you could do something wrong (like the case I've mentioned). Different people have less chances to do something wrong in a same way.