Region and language tags

[tossEAC]

It will only take me a few days to get the re-naming done. The pars thread will not be changed only new games added will start new posts in the exsisting threads with the new names of course.

Just a minor point I would like to bring to your attention, and it's very important as it seems like this is an error of some sort.

ENGLISH only games (often bought in the United Kingdom / England) seem to be getting wrongly named (Europe).

This is most definately wrong as England is not Europe.

Europe games that include English and other European languages, German, Sweeden etc. should be named (Europe), but English only games if they are the UK versions should be England or UK or maybe even GB (Great Britain). Definately not (Europe) on it's own.

Let me know if you think I am wright or wrong. I defiantely think I have a valid point, that you may want to consider.

[gigadeath]

(E) is Europe, since... well forever. And yes, we continental Europeans had to have our games in English only for most of videogame history, how is that strange? Those English only titles were available in shops all around  Europe. Back when companies didn't have the habit of translating games, English was chosen as the only language simply because eveyone knew a word or two of English, not because the games were destined to England only.

Finally, since when hasn't England been a part of Europe? If you are English and think you're in a continent of its own, you might want to check the opinion of the rest of the world   (no offense)

[DJoneK]

I think he means why isn't England treated the same as the other European Countries like Spain, France, Germany, etc, etc.. When they have a game that is only available in their language, they are tagged with it's respective country tag.

A game with 3 languages:
Gamename (Europe) (En,Fr,Sp)

If the same game had 3 different versions for each country:
Gamename (Europe)  <--- I think he means this should be (England, GB, or UK)
Gamename (France)
Gamename (Spain)

I "think" that's what he meant.

[gigadeath]

Still not right because the English version was the one  exported to no-main-language countries.

Countries like Greece, Scandinavia, Holland, Central Europe east of Germany, Baltic region, etc, got the English release, which was simply considered the generic "PAL" release. It's an "European" release from every angle you want to see the issue from.

Unless recent systems have games translated in EVERY European language.

[Jackal]

I think there are probably some examples of games that have their own unique PAL UK release (English-only, whereas the rest of Europe got Multi language versions).. e.g. the Call of Duty games for the PS2 and some PS1 games.. I'm not sure if it justifies a UK country tag though.

[gigadeath]

If some dump was released in UK only, it would deserve its own flag, but then what version was released in Estonia? In Hungary? In Bulgaria? Sure those countries got an English release, and if not the UK one, what then?

I don't think any company created an English release specific to non-UK, rest-of-Europe small countries. Bulgarian kids probably got plain ol' UK release, just like we Italian, French, Spanish, German kids got back in 1991.

[Rocknroms]

I don't have a lot of time in these days, so I will tell only this: I don't agree with this change.

[provato]

From my point of view, No-intro has its ups and downs. I think we need to keep no-intro's convention and take it one step further. For example psx dumps (which I'm especially interested in) need the serial info, as many people base their research of psx releases/history to it. Because you cannot really tell which disc the dump comes from until you know its serial - no other info is so indicative

[Viruz]

I agree with tossEAC about the english games. For the eastern european countries you are naming, they obviously don't have a big enough presence to require production of there own games.. so import from UK etc. Effectively, this means that they are UK games. In ways, maybe USA should be re-named North America, as Canada imports them..
Serials are important for some games, for example the PSP Demo Discs, which all now exactly the same filename, where they are different..

[gigadeath]

There's no way in hell English-only PAL games should be treated as anything else than "Europe", since they're the generic PAL release, unless there's any proven case that that specific dump, with those specific CRCs, was released only in UK and not in those other European countries which didn't get their own translation. The publishing companies officially released English-only games in those countries, it's not that the retailers independently imported those games directly from the UK It was the same for us Italian, French, Spanish, German people until very few years ago.

The (E) flag has ALWAYS stood for (Europe), not English, since Cowering acne days. Who did really believe the (E) stood for (England)?