Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?

[dumper]

I want to dump Christmas Nights into Dreams (E)

This what Exact Audio Copy says:

Track    Gap
01    00:02:00  -  Data Track
02    00:00:00  -  Data Track
03    00:02:00  -  Audio Track
04    00:02:00  -  Audio Track
Etc    00:02:00  -  Audio Track

I have dumped track 01 and 02 using IsoBuster

Then I have used these commands to fix the gaps

"remove -size=150sec track01.bin trash.bin"
"psxt001z --gen pregap.bin 352800"
"copy /b pregap.bin+track02.bin new_track02.bin"

I do have a question. Did I dump this game properly?

I am not very sure, because this website says:
www.toseciso.org/details.php?id=1575  -  scroll down

Track    Gap
01    00:02:00  -  Data Track
02    00:03:00  -  Data Track
03    00:02:00  -  Audio Track
04    00:02:00  -  Audio Track
Etc    00:02:00  -  Audio Track

This what I think is right after fixing the gaps:

Track    Gap
01    00:00:00  -  Data Track
02    00:02:00  -  Data Track
03    00:02:00  -  Audio Track
04    00:02:00  -  Audio Track
Etc    00:02:00  -  Audio Track

[Rocknroms]

Within the next 48 hours I'll post a SS dumping guide so everything should be explained.

To get the right gaps of these games without a plextor and without PerfectRip, you have to check it manually with subs (taken with CloneCD only).
Normally gaps between the 2 data tracks is 3.00 (but could be also 2.00 or 4.00), 1 sector of mode1/2352 and 2 sectors of mode2/2352; take a sub and post it so we can check.

[dumper]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/iiaxpe  -  Christmas Nights into Dreams (E)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/l3t087  -  Nights into Dreams (E)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/o8uj6c  -  Nights into Dreams (U)

[F1ReB4LL]

Normally gaps between the 2 data tracks is 3.00 (but could be also 2.00 or 4.00), 1 sector of mode1/2352 and 2 sectors of mode2/2352; take a sub and post it so we can check.

Gaps can be any, https://redump.info/disc/5255/ -- 6.00, https://redump.info/disc/3283/ -- 8.00.

[F1ReB4LL]

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track04.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track05.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track06.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track07.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track08.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 08 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track09.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 09 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track10.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 10 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track11.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 11 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track12.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 12 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track13.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 13 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track14.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 14 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track15.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 15 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track16.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 16 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track17.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 17 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track18.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 18 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track19.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 19 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track20.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 20 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track04.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track05.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track06.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track07.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track08.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 08 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track09.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 09 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track10.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 10 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track11.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 11 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track12.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 12 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track13.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 13 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track14.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 14 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track15.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 15 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track16.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 16 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track17.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 17 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track18.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 18 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track19.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 19 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track20.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 20 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track21.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 21 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:03:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track04.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track05.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track06.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track07.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:01:02
FILE "Track08.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 08 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track09.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 09 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track10.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 10 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track11.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 11 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track12.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 12 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track13.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 13 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track14.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 14 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track15.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 15 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track16.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 16 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track17.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 17 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track18.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 18 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track19.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 19 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track20.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 20 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track21.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 21 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02

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Then I have used these commands to fix the gaps

"remove -size=150sec track01.bin trash.bin"
"psxt001z --gen pregap.bin 352800"
"copy /b pregap.bin+track02.bin new_track02.bin"

Heey, you can't do this, the gap between the datatracks isn't empty, you must dump it, not generate.

I am not very sure, because this website says:
www.toseciso.org/details.php?id=1575  -  scroll down

Track    Gap
01    00:02:00  -  Data Track
02    00:03:00  -  Data Track
03    00:02:00  -  Audio Track
04    00:02:00  -  Audio Track
Etc    00:02:00  -  Audio Track

This what I think is right after fixing the gaps:

Track    Gap
01    00:00:00  -  Data Track
02    00:02:00  -  Data Track
03    00:02:00  -  Audio Track
04    00:02:00  -  Audio Track
Etc    00:02:00  -  Audio Track

What's about the ringcode? Maybe there were different pressings?

[Rocknroms]

I noticed everything above, so it's better to wait for a guide for new dumps. I'm working on it.

Normally gaps between the 2 data tracks is 3.00 (but could be also 2.00 or 4.00), 1 sector of mode1/2352 and 2 sectors of mode2/2352; take a sub and post it so we can check.

Gaps can be any, https://redump.info/disc/5255/ -- 6.00, https://redump.info/disc/3283/ -- 8.00.

Yes, but normally is 3.00, or not?

[F1ReB4LL]

Yes, but normally is 3.00, or not?

More dumps needed to figure it out.

[Rocknroms]

Yes, but normally is 3.00, or not?

More dumps needed to figure it out.

How many 2 data tracks SS games do you think were produced? Half were at least dumped, but could be checked within bin-cues/etc. around. You need to dump it all to say that normally it's 3.00? And exceptions are a matter of fact otherwise I will say that "is always 3.00".

[F1ReB4LL]

Half were at least dumped, but could be checked within bin-cues/etc. around.

They are always bad (CDRWin issue?). Girl Doll Toy #0601 release by Darkwater -- 00:03:00 instead of 00:06:00; same for dozens of VFCG Vol.04: Pai Chan dumps floating around, so I don't believe them.

[Rocknroms]

Half were at least dumped, but could be checked within bin-cues/etc. around.

They are always bad (CDRWin issue?). Girl Doll Toy #0601 release by Darkwater -- 00:03:00 instead of 00:06:00; same for dozens of VFCG Vol.04: Pai Chan dumps floating around, so I don't believe them.

I mean "identify games with 2 data tracks" and not "identify lenght of pregap", it has to be implicit I know those were wrong after dumping around 200 discs and converting around 300.
All bad dumps around at least don't mismatch data with audio.
I Repeat: after dumping half or more discs with 2 data tracks ---> the common pregap is 3.00 seconds, but obviously it could be also different.