nothing to do with anything

[themabus]

oh ok, i see

i'm sorry about that, but i won't upload anything anymore
i hope those missing images would motivate people to redump them and join project
maybe they would see things as i see them regarding naming and would somehow accelerate an decision
that may be stupid, but about only thing i can do

[Sotho Tal Ker]

offtopic:

i'm sorry about that, but i won't upload anything anymore
i hope those missing images would motivate people to redump them and join project

Do you want to donate me some money so I can buy more games? ^_^

ontopic:
You have to make a trade-off for people with older computers, as they cannot use the highest compression modes available. Especially RAM is the issue.

[Havikoro]

oh ok, i see

i'm sorry about that, but i won't upload anything anymore
i hope those missing images would motivate people to redump them and join project
maybe they would see things as i see them regarding naming and would somehow accelerate an decision
that may be stupid, but about only thing i can do

Wow pretty selfish act man and I hope we don't see this kind of pointless protest from other people on this site? I don't see the point in hoarding dumps in hopes that more people will redump EXPENSIVE hard to obtain discs from Japan? The last thing this site needs is dumpers not willing to share because of some personal protest.

This site is about disc PRESERVATION. BadSector isn't some leecher collecting images just for himself the guy makes a great effort to distribute dumps to help ensure preservation. Redumps will come in time and more people will join and help as time goes on. For the sake of game preservation I hope you reconsider your stand.

[themabus]

Wow pretty selfish act man...
I don't see the point...
The last thing this site needs...

thanks

EXPENSIVE hard to obtain discs from Japan?

www.ebay.com

This site is about disc PRESERVATION.

well, this site might be - on the paper. but when you look at it, what's really happening -
ther's no way to trace back those images to actual CDs - how is this an preservation? it's an charade.
it has been discussed a lot among staff, and nothing has changed
since talking is useless, being an 'Dumper' mysel like you are,
that's about only other option i have left to try to influence anything here.
but i wouldn't want to hijack this thread with this, it has nothing to do with Merged Compression

BadSector isn't some leecher collecting images just for himself the guy makes a great effort to distribute dumps to help ensure preservation.

it has nothing to do with BadSector. i personally have a great respect for him.
i'm not uploading for a while, just said it now.

[BadSector]

oh ok, i see

i'm sorry about that, but i won't upload anything anymore
i hope those missing images would motivate people to redump them and join project
maybe they would see things as i see them regarding naming and would somehow accelerate an decision
that may be stupid, but about only thing i can do

Wow pretty selfish act man and I hope we don't see this kind of pointless protest from other people on this site? I don't see the point in hoarding dumps in hopes that more people will redump EXPENSIVE hard to obtain discs from Japan? The last thing this site needs is dumpers not willing to share because of some personal protest.

This site is about disc PRESERVATION. BadSector isn't some leecher collecting images just for himself the guy makes a great effort to distribute dumps to help ensure preservation. Redumps will come in time and more people will join and help as time goes on. For the sake of game preservation I hope you reconsider your stand.

Actually i agree with themabus, when i started to upload redump.org games at UG one of my main 2 intentions what that with this more peoples will know about the project and will dump there games from there collection. and thou i did received a lot of help in spreading those dumps, not many peoples actually become new dumpers. i would actually like to see more and more peoples to dump there original games for redump.org, coz no matter if they share it or not if they will dump it and expand the redump.org DB, we will have those games somehow

and as i said before i would myself like the naming scheme to be updated.

[Sotho Tal Ker]

This site is about disc PRESERVATION.

well, this site might be - on the paper. but when you look at it, what's really happening -
ther's no way to trace back those images to actual CDs - how is this an preservation? it's an charade.

Can you tell me any side that does correct "preservation"?

There is an interesting article on english Wikipedia that outlines most things what preservation is about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_preservation

Currently the redump.org project does only two of the strategies mentioned there: migration and replication.

Migration from the physical media to one or more binary files and a cue text file that represents the TOC of the disc. This is done using more or less accurate steps (offset detection and that).

Replication for this information gotten by migration by "spreading" it over the world to other people. Since all of the data is copyrighted and the project has no permission to replicate it (yet), this could be called a copyright violation or piracy. (The difference to actual preservation done by the various 'institutes' is that we do the replication publically, which means that everyone could be a preservation mirror.)

What is missing for actual preservation is the attached metadata with more information. This is currently implemented on the redump.org website in a limited way. Ideally this data should be included with the binary copies that were migrated and should be replicated.
Also everything else that were with the physical media should be preserved (Cover, Manual).

One has to note that even the SPS (Software Preservation Society), which is actively archiving the contents of various (floppy) disk formats since 2001, is not able to accurately write back their IPF images to physical media (at least they have not released any piece of software/hardware able to do that yet).

So what should be done to make it "real preservation" for you? For myself, including metadata that has more information how the dump has been obtained would be a good starting point.

Addendum: Just to add, you cannot force people to actually help preserving. Most people do not really care about it, they just think redump.org is a good way to get clean images for playing the games with an emulator. Having a dat file available to everyone just implies that you want to have the images spread for everyone (else the checksum information on the site would be enough for people to verify they have a good image).

[themabus]

Can you tell me any side that does correct "preservation"?

i can't

in my opinion TOSEC is overdoing it with meaningless information tags while not making backups properly

i'm not familiar with cartridge media, hence can not comment on No-Intro - how good it's done
but i think at least their naming convention provide a good means for such implementation

What is missing for actual preservation is the attached metadata with more information. This is currently implemented on the redump.org website in a limited way. Ideally this data should be included with the binary copies that were migrated and should be replicated.
Also everything else that were with the physical media should be preserved (Cover, Manual).

indeed, you're right

i see .dat and everything derived from it (also CD images) as independent set of information on it's own.
website is merely a mechanism to produce it, there shouldn't be further dependence.

So what should be done to make it "real preservation" for you? For myself, including metadata that has more information how the dump has been obtained would be a good starting point.

names should change.

they can hold a lot of this meta-data associated with source material.
as of now they basically serve only to identify title and then separate records - avoid collisions.
they could describe source medium better, down to edition at least - as far as it's possible.

for example, currently 'many-to-one' relationship from db is being reduced to 'one-to-one' in .dat
when several editions would yield similar CRCs, this information is lost outside of redump.org
this problem will escalate with time (and it's only one from several)

would somebody want to add covers or manuals now for PSX CDs - an independent project linked with redump.org images -
he'd be faced with fact that it's impossible to do so without manual examinination of records on redump.org website

[cHrI8l3]

dont worry about it , Im constantly working on a project which will provide proper grouping/relations between game/edition/dump and many other stuff for best preservation of information
f.e. various naming scheme for generating dats, private lists etc..

you guys can check early alpha version of this project at:
http://vg-database.com

and dont just look, but browse some stuff , because user interface is currently completely non intuitive
no documentation yet... etc , but gimme some more time and all will be ready

PS.
oh, and registrations are open if anyone would like to check forms for adding stuff, all data on the site is managable by users, using submition system for normal users and immediate change for users with priviledges...

[themabus]

oh, nice, cHrI8l3

[F1ReB4LL]

What is missing for actual preservation is the attached metadata with more information. This is currently implemented on the redump.org website in a limited way. Ideally this data should be included with the binary copies that were migrated and should be replicated.

I guess, it would be better to include all the metadata in the dat.