Request: Help complete the abgx360 database

samsam12
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Re: Request: Help complete the abgx360 database

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it might not be your dumps - a few liteon 0800 are coming back really close to proper targets but the ss sector range is 100% modifying every single SS you throw into it. I'll make a thread about this with more details since this doesn't effect patching on the grounds of running on real hardware, and could be up to your opinion

From hadzz,

so at address 0x0228, that is for angle 1. in the top files (untouched) it says the first measurement is 02 (a deviation of 1 degree) and the second measurement is 02 (1 degree dev)

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then the bottom is after running it through ss_sector_range.exe, it sets that first measurement to 1 (0 deviation) and the second measurement is wiped out
red indicates difference, everything else is untouched besides the angles
this isn't a very good example because the only deviation is in angle 1, but you get the idea
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Jackal
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Re: Request: Help complete the abgx360 database

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The reason for the ss_sector_range modifying of the SS.bin bytes is to get consistent hashes between different dumps of the same discs. Otherwise you end up with 100 different SS.bin that are actually the same, but those bytes change randomly on different reads.

IIRC the "cleaning" was only for SSv1, but please confirm.
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samsam12
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Re: Request: Help complete the abgx360 database

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SSv2 isn't affected - I noticed this, but wasn't sure why some files were being modified

Regardless - it's problematic for Xbox 360 dumps to create false hashes - these discs are pressed with a certain level of deviation per game, and the drive on a real console has this expectation. It makes archiving harder, but as of now Redump doesn't even include these for their disc hashes anyway.

The files will work, it's just less accurate than the files as ripped with a specific value. Inherently it's how these discs are pressed, reading out that sector is rarely going to read 1:1 from it's pressing. The best solution going forward is to encourage using 0800 firmware/XBC for Xbox 360, and Kreon for anything OG Xbox.

The database is starting to populate with entries from the community. It's manual between myself and hadzz for now, however some back end work for anyone wanting to add themselves is coming eventually, so ideally we'll have credentials for Redump members if they would like to directly add new dumps

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diego-rbb-93
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Re: Request: Help complete the abgx360 database

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samsam12 wrote:SSv2 isn't affected - I noticed this, but wasn't sure why some files were being modified

Regardless - it's problematic for Xbox 360 dumps to create false hashes - these discs are pressed with a certain level of deviation per game, and the drive on a real console has this expectation. It makes archiving harder, but as of now Redump doesn't even include these for their disc hashes anyway.

The files will work, it's just less accurate than the files as ripped with a specific value. Inherently it's how these discs are pressed, reading out that sector is rarely going to read 1:1 from it's pressing. The best solution going forward is to encourage using 0800 firmware/XBC for Xbox 360, and Kreon for anything OG Xbox.

The database is starting to populate with entries from the community. It's manual between myself and hadzz for now, however some back end work for anyone wanting to add themselves is coming eventually, so ideally we'll have credentials for Redump members if they would like to directly add new dumps

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Samsam, I always wondered which games/discs were never dumped by the Scene in Xbox 360. Did you ever compared the avaliable data with out Wiki Missing Lists?
samsam12
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Re: Request: Help complete the abgx360 database

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A ton of region duplicates

Missing completely

Momotaro Densetsu 16 Gold
Janline
Cave Shooting Collection reprint edition
Steins Gate reprint with DLC
Memories Off HK/TW
Working dump of Sakura Flamingo Archives - the scene release crashes loading Chaos Field

Missing scene - has working user dumps not associated here

Minecraft Story Mode - Season 2 Season Pass Disc
Cave Shooting Collection
Batman Season 1 Season Pass Disc
FIFA 19 Legacy Edition

Missing scene/P2P/Redump

Cave Shooting Collection reissue/v2
Sakura Flamingo Archives proper/fully working

Missing DMI

Almost all Japanese dumps from 2005 up to mid 2007
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Title ID/Disc ID is parsed from the DMI on upload - something that wasn't in the official submission page
More trickling of entries
Kreon dumps are now accepted either modified or not - tldr, every Kreon rip is "guessing" what angle the disc has, so it basically is a wash regardless of what drive or if it has zeroed out portions. They're not ideal but as with all current DB entries, if we can get a SSv2 these get added over the pre-existing files
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diego-rbb-93
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Re: Request: Help complete the abgx360 database

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Those reprints are confirmed to be different revisions?
samsam12
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Re: Request: Help complete the abgx360 database

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Yeah - the Cave collection is missing Akai Katana content on the reissue in 2014 - The copy in the boxset is the original disc, and getting the new disc required a send in to Cave - which is incredibly rare and Cave printed low numbers.

Steins Gate is in the dumped list
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diego-rbb-93
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Re: Request: Help complete the abgx360 database

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Please Samsam, can you confirm how exactly you want the SS Files?

I got an USB Pro and im pending to receive a new 0800 drive, mine got broken last night. I dumped SS.bin with Xbox Creator for Obut Petanque 2 but the SS.bin didnt match with the one that JHMiller added to ABGX and I dont understand anything about how you want this added.
samsam12
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Re: Request: Help complete the abgx360 database

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It's not difficult - you want either a BenQ or Lite On drive from a fat console

You can use built in SATA if your mobo is old enough or get a USB Pro - the process is the same regardless

Open XBC, extract SS/DMI/PFI from the disc - that's it. If your dump doesn't match the file in the DB, it's likely an undocumented pressing. The game in question is uncommon, so it's possible it's just an undumped disc. Post it here if you want and I can reference it from the copy I have
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diego-rbb-93
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Re: Request: Help complete the abgx360 database

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samsam12 wrote:It's not difficult - you want either a BenQ or Lite On drive from a fat console

You can use built in SATA if your mobo is old enough or get a USB Pro - the process is the same regardless

Open XBC, extract SS/DMI/PFI from the disc - that's it. If your dump doesn't match the file in the DB, it's likely an undocumented pressing. The game in question is uncommon, so it's possible it's just an undumped disc. Post it here if you want and I can reference it from the copy I have
I doubt it. This is the same disc that JHMiller dumped for ABGX. That's why im surprised. Same disc, same writer, different hash for SS.bin   -.-
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