Help dumping Moto Racer (E)

[Rocknroms]

Stay always on method A unless it finds strange pregaps. I have an LG too, even mine is slow on the first audio track.

About your questions: EAC pregap detection is not always right (I posted a thread in dump section right now about a similar problem), when you look into IB to see offset correction you have to understand also if EAC pregap is right. A clue, as I undestand, is the syncronization of 2352 data format headers (the row you find at the beginning of every 2352 sector .ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ.....). If this row is shifted ** so this is data that has to be moved on first audio track, instead if this row is regular this sector is part of data track (if under IB you find a row where EAC indicates start of pregap, you have to move forward 1 sector, so if EAC says 2.00 seconds you have to set 1.74 and obviously you have to cut track01 of 350448 instead of 352800).

** shifted row

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00000000  00 00 CA 90 21 37 8D 69 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF  ..Ê.!7.i.ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ
00000010  FF FF FF 00 30 13 23 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ÿÿÿ.0.#.........

I hope to have explained it right.

[ulugabi]

I understand a bit but not totally since i 'm not sure how the datas have to be in order to respect the redump.org method.
Here my data track is as secors as IB say it.
Maybe u can download my iso on underground gamer (or i can send it to u) in order to tell me if it's good or not

by the way which hex editor do u think is best, i have win hex workshop?

And in your post in dumps section you spoke about : "but if you try to go one sector back progam and cdreader freeze"; Is this normal since the same thing happen when i do sector viex on the fu ntracks release?

[Rocknroms]

It's not necessary you upload full track. Use remove (/viewtopic.php?t=1335) on your resized track with following command remove -Size=375sec "track 01.bin" end_of_track.bin (backup track before this operation) then upload "end_of_track" somewhere so we can check this last 4-5 seconds you are talking about.

[Rocknroms]

by the way which hex editor do u think is best, i have win hex workshop?

HxD ---> http://mh-nexus.de/en/

And in your post in dumps section you spoke about : "but if you try to go one sector back progam and cdreader freeze"; Is this normal since the same thing happen when i do sector viex on the fu ntracks release?

Some drivers cannot read sectors between data and audio tracks and freeze, but in the case of my thread is probably a mastering error that is the cause of wrong pregap detection.

[ulugabi]

Here it is: http://dl.free.fr/rPUul9mCv
Hope we will have finish soon, i can't scan and dump over games while i look for this.

So this error can be interesting since it's just one sector before the "end of data track sector said by IB -150 on Fun Tracks and on Moto Racer too

[Rocknroms]

Your track is perfectly normal, below is last sector (it seems Mode2 data, I'm right?), the first row is the header that contains information of this sector on cd or track.

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000D6C20  00 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 05 32 56 02  .ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ..2V.
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000D7540  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3F 13 B0 BE  ............?.°¾

Try as explained in the guide, go before back of "pregap - 1 sector" (ex: 150 - 1 -> 149) and than go back of last one.
If there's nothing else then cd-drive freezing is not an interesting error *. Don't worry dump your game.

*

Some drivers cannot read sectors between data and audio tracks and freeze

Cannot read this data within IB and other sector viewer programs.

[ulugabi]

You're right.
For the freeze i will take the example of this fun tracks release:
IB says Track starts at 24 957
24 957- 149 = 24 808
and it don't load sector view when i try sector 24 806

I must admit i'm completely lost with these sectors and hex editor thing
For example i don't udnerstand why HxD put yyyy in right column for FFF and not sector viexw in IB

Why there re these FFF and 3F 13 B0 BE at the very end of the file i sent you while i see nothing in sector viex from IB?

And why if as u say the driver freeze between audio and data track it happens at this sector since there are 150 other sectors before the end of the data track

Finally where are the gaps? at the start of every track file or at the end?

For other releases if EAc don't detect me strange gaps i suppose all my dumps will be good if the sector size said by IB = the sector size of the file said by cd mage?

And last one not related to this. By doing a image with protection like this will it be possible to play it without a crack (like if i made the image with clone cd?)

But so if my dump is ok i suppose it's the same for Moto Racer and i'm quiet happy i can continue without loosing lot of times editing bins. So i just loose some hours for no problem

[Rocknroms]

Gaps (or pregaps) are at the beginning of every track, so what happens to you is normal if your drive cannot handle this sectors under IB sector viewer. IB has a bug and appends track02 pregap to end of track01 (those 150 sectors are pregap of following track, this is why you have to cut data track).
It's normal that you don't see sector headers under IB.

If your game is protected you have to know what kind of protection it has.

1) If it's a sample .exe protection you can dump your CD and then if you want to play it from backup you can use the crack as always.

2) If it's Safedisc, look and redump as said here ---> /viewtopic.php?t=1045

3) If it's a newer protection (I don't think so) your dump is vain because Redump has not yet added subchannels to DB.

PS: Moto Racer PC seems to have CD Check protection (simply requires CD o be inserted), so it's a simple protection and can be dumped normal way.

[ulugabi]

So for a protected game in a play purpose it will be better to use a clone cd image than a redump.org image since you don't need to use a crack, this is sad since i don't like to use crack.
For your first sentence we came back on the same problem: i understand what u said (specially since it's what i rode in the guide) but i m confused about the sector size. I understood IB can't detect start of audio and it's why we have to remove but what i don't udnerstand is that my data track as a equivalent sector size after remove = to the one said by IB So the bug only happend while ripping? or IB had 150 sectors before the data track when ripping?

[Rocknroms]

Edit: Sorry. IB detects right size but dumps pregap of track02 joined to track01 data, it happens only on ripping