[DONE] Discussing the multisession cue

[iR0b0t]

Na, i won't drop it. You never know.

Right now, i have no other suggestions.

[F1ReB4LL]

Erm. I don't think you need to additionally set the pregap there. Just like the 1st track's pregap is always 150 sectors or more, the 1st track of the 2nd session pregap is expected to have 150 pregap sectors or more; if more - you add the INDEX 00 part with the extra sectors only, same for both the 1st and 2nd sessions.

If to use the "REM PREGAP 00:02:00" for the 2nd session, logically, we need to add it to all the single-session ones

[Jackal]

Erm. I don't think you need to additionally set the pregap there. Just like the 1st track's pregap is always 150 sectors or more, the 1st track of the 2nd session pregap is expected to have 150 pregap sectors or more; if more - you add the INDEX 00 part with the extra sectors only, same for both the 1st and 2nd sessions.

If to use the "REM PREGAP 00:02:00" for the 2nd session, logically, we need to add it to all the single-session ones

You lost me there

I only see 2 solutions:

1. Completely define the area between the sessions in the cuesheet, so that tools can use the MSF lengths in the cuesheet to determine the amount of sectors to generate, without any assumptions or hardcoded values in software. This means that REM PREGAP should be included.

2. Assume that the area between the sessions is always the same and let tools use hardcoded values. So for the gap between the first 2 sessions, assume that LEAD-OUT is always 01:30:00 and LEAD-IN 01:00:00 and PREGAP 00:02:00. If we make these assumptions, then the REM LEAD-OUT and REM LEAD-IN lines are no longer needed and only the REM SESSION lines will suffice.

[F1ReB4LL]

1. Completely define the area between the sessions in the cuesheet, so that tools can use the MSF lengths in the cuesheet to determine the amount of sectors to generate, without any assumptions or hardcoded values in software. This means that REM PREGAP should be included.

2. Assume that the area between the sessions is always the same and let tools use hardcoded values. So for the gap between the first 2 sessions, assume that LEAD-OUT is always 01:30:00 and LEAD-IN 01:00:00 and PREGAP 00:02:00. If we make these assumptions, then the REM LEAD-OUT and REM LEAD-IN lines are no longer needed and only the REM SESSION lines will suffice.

I think DIC cues (and maybe the redump "input" cues) should be like in p.1, but the "output" redump cues should be like in p.2 _until_ we meet anything that deviates.

[Jackal]

Sounds fine.. so what's the next step, getting sarami to define to add REM PREGAP in the DIC cuesheet, and getting iR0b0t to add support for REM SESSION lines in cuesheets?

And for the disc page, I guess there should be be separate boxes (with the Track / Cuesheet info) with total columns for each session? And also for the Dreamcast LD and HD area? Now Dreamcast is showing the total lengths and crc for LD and HD combined, but this is meaningless.

[sarami]

added 'REM PREGAP' in test version.

[user7]

*Pokes this thread*

Are we at a standstill at getting Multisession discs added to redump, or are we waiting on DIC for an update?

[Jackal]

See my last post. sarami did his part, so now we're waiting for iR0b0t..

[user7]

*Pokes iRobot with a sharpened stick.*

[iR0b0t]

Can i see a cuesheet example of the latest DIC output for this, please.