[SS] Something about dumping Saturn games (updated 04/12/08)

[F1ReB4LL]

King of Fighters '95, The (J) (Track 04-05, 11-12, 14-15, 17-18, 20-21, 24-25)
https://redump.info/disc/1874/
SUB ---> T-3101G
Analysis: Actual pauses are exactly 150 sectors, but according to the Q-channel, those pregaps are 149 sectors long. So, it's just another case of the incorrect mastering

Should be redumped/fixed:

ClockWerx (J) (Track 05-06) - https://redump.info/disc/5088/ - iR0b0t's dump
O-chan no Oekaki Logic (J) (Track 06-07) - https://redump.info/disc/3315/ - p_star's dump, he doesn't have this CD anymore, should be just fixed?
Real Bout Garou Densetsu Special (J) (Track 18-19) - https://redump.info/disc/1747/ - p_star's & asapy's dump, p_star doesn't have this CD anymore (as usual)

Are those 02:02 gaps fine?

Andretti Racing (F) (Track 02-03) - https://redump.info/disc/3811/ - p_star's dump
Cyber Speedway (E) (Track 03-04, 06-07, 12-13, 13-14, 16-17, 18-19) - https://redump.info/disc/5196/ - iR0b0t's dump
NHL All-Star Hockey (E) (lots of) - https://redump.info/disc/3820/ - p_star's dump
Road & Track Presents - The Need for Speed (E) (Track 02-03, 09-10, 10-11) - https://redump.info/disc/4815/p_star's dump
Sega Rally Championship (U) (Track 05-06) - https://redump.info/disc/4892/ - p_star's & iR0b0t's dump
Thunderhawk 2 - Firestorm (G) (lots of) - https://redump.info/disc/5194/ - iR0b0t's dump (this one also has a weird single 02:01 gap, should also be checked)

Track02 pregap should be verified, if it's similar to the Gunbird case or not.

Kyuutenkai(J) - https://redump.info/disc/3716/ - Rocknroms' dump
Whizz (J) - https://redump.info/disc/5164/ - Rocknroms' dump

[Rocknroms]

Added.

F1ReB4LL can you check your KoF96 dump track02? Probably it could have garbage in pregap (in this case has to be fixwed) or data or can be completely different from other dump. I added a remotediff in my patch request thread also for this track.

[Rocknroms]

O-chan no Oekaki Logic (J) (Track 06-07) - https://redump.info/disc/3315/ - p_star's dump, he doesn't have this CD anymore, should be just fixed?

We can fix it waiting for a new dump for confirmation, he has the dump? Because there's no data around for this game.

[F1ReB4LL]

(Updated my previous post again).

[Rocknroms]

I will check the games tomorrow. About Whizz it should be ok, I wrote it in a previous post.

About dumps that cannot be redumped, a owner can make a copy (or mount it on DT... or use the method you used for Gunbird) and check if these sectors are 0x02 .

PS: Remember to check Kof96

Edit: F1ReB4LL, some games you have listed above may be checked, but serpentine pregap is not a hint for EAN sectors. Normally EAN sectors (as it's found until now) reports 0 sec pregap on PerfectRip. I will put this games in a separate list.

[F1ReB4LL]

I've thought, this tread isn't only about EAN sectors. All the unusualities should be examined using the subs.

[Rocknroms]

Checked both games left from my dumps.

Kyutenkai is ok.

Whizz seems the opposite of Gunbird, here is the sectors between data track and pregap. For more details look at my explanation above.

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Frame  P                        Q-CONTROL Q-ADDRESS Q-TNO Q-INDEX Q-MIN Q-SEC Q-FRAME Q-ZERO Q-AMIN Q-ASEC Q-AFRAME Q-CRC16 R                        S                        T                        U                        V                        W                        
 30069 000000000000000000000000         4          1   01      01    06    40      68     00     06     42       68    aa34 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 30070 000000000000000000000000         4          1   01      01    06    40      69     00     06     42       69    1044 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 30071 000000000000000000000000         4          1   01      01    06    40      70     00     06     42       70    3f7a 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 30072 000000000000000000000000         4          1   01      01    06    40      71     00     06     42       71    850a 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 30073 000000000000000000000000         4          1   01      01    06    40      72     00     06     42       72    5bbb 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 30074 000000000000000000000000         4          1   01      01    06    40      73     00     06     42       73    e1cb 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 30075 ffffffffffffffffffffffff         4          1   01      01    06    40      74     00     06     42       74    f6f8 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 30076 ffffffffffffffffffffffff         4          1   01      01    06    41      00     00     06     43       00    2afa 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 30077 ffffffffffffffffffffffff         0          1   02      00    00    01      74     00     06     43       02    4d80 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 30078 ffffffffffffffffffffffff         0          1   02      00    00    01      73     00     06     43       03    3a75 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 30079 ffffffffffffffffffffffff         0          1   02      00    00    01      72     00     06     43       04    e0c3 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 30080 ffffffffffffffffffffffff         0          1   02      00    00    01      71     00     06     43       05    1e30 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 30081 ffffffffffffffffffffffff         0          1   02      00    00    01      70     00     06     43       06    8402 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 30082 ffffffffffffffffffffffff         0          1   02      00    00    01      69     00     06     43       07    3805 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000

[F1ReB4LL]

Until now my discs had no such cases, i do check my disc offsets always on both ways!

Try to redump ClockWerx, verify KoF'96 and check those PAL titles.

[iR0b0t]

Try to redump ClockWerx, verify KoF'96 and check those PAL titles.

I will do it if my hardware permissible it, have a patience, and does not remind me every day for it

[Rocknroms]

Jackal,

You're sentence about wo detection you added on d8 command thread is not true for SS games. Simply look at Gunbird: old method reports wo=+1176, d8 reports wo=0. The second is right because disc has sync and mastering errors (the same is for many other discs, Dremora's mod of px_d8 prooved it because you can find offset only where you have real data).