Are you taking PS3 submissions?

[Clutz450]

I was wondering if you guys are making a database of PS3 games?  I tried searching the forums and google but all I find are posts in the history section of the forum with people who have posted their info.  And if you are, is there a guide somewhere that will tell me exactly how to dump games to comply with your standards so everyone gets the same info in their dump?

[RiMMER]

Yes, PS3 submissions are accepted. Even though not a guide, but you can try reading this thread to get some insight.

[Clutz450]

Thank you.  The PS3 link for discs must have been down when I was looking for it earlier because there was nothing there which is why I want sure if you were accepting them.  But now I see the games listed.  But anyway, I was talking about dumping my PS3 games using Gaia Manager since I just recently put CFW on my PS3.  But after reading that thread you linked to it seems like you aren't accepting games that are dumped that way because it removes the encryption making it no longer 1:1.  So I guess I can't help out after all.  I will try and do some research and see if I can possibly dump a PS3 game using the Blu-ray drive in my laptop and get the same results as someone else who has already submitted the same game.

[RiMMER]

Yes, as you properly figured out, encryption must be intact, so Gaia Manager won't really help in any way.

As far as I know, the PC blu-ray drives either work, or not. So just put the game disc inside the drive, boot up the latest IsoBuster and check out whether the disc is present, or not. If it is, try dumping it easily as any other DVD, for example.

If it works, your dump should be good, but it still would be nice if you could find at least 1 disc which is already present in the database and compare your results to make sure the drive reads as it should.

Good luck!

[Jackal]

Yes, as you properly figured out, encryption must be intact, so Gaia Manager won't really help in any way.

I'm not sure if that's true. The dumps that we have now could turn out to be useless and maybe can't be decrypted in the future. What we are waiting for is some method that allows us to create decrypted/descrambled (layer decryption removed and all other properties staying intact) ISO's. It's no use preserving the encrypted images unless we have a way to decrypt them (without needing the disc again).

AFAIK, Gaia manager and all other tools so far can only create file-based (jailbreak format) backups and no sector-based ISO.

[RiMMER]

It's no use preserving the encrypted images unless we have a way to decrypt them (without needing the disc again).

So why are we submitting the DVD-Videos to the database? Those are encrypted and useless too.

[Jackal]

It's no use preserving the encrypted images unless we have a way to decrypt them (without needing the disc again).

So why are we submitting the DVD-Videos to the database? Those are encrypted and useless too.

I don't know about that.. if you can extract them with isobuster without read errors, VLC should be able to circumvent the analog protection and play them without scrambling/artifacts?

If they are really useless then they should be removed I guess.

[Anguish]

I don't think we should decrypt discs.
This way, they are not 1:1 bit-perfect copies of the originals... which should be the aim for this project.
Decryption is a step that should be done by e.g. emulators or dedicated programs from the original, unaltered disc-images.

[RiMMER]

VLC should be able to circumvent the analog protection

Well, you answered your own question, I guess. Those discs are encrypted and you cannot really convert them to anything else, only play using VLC, as it can go around the encryption. In the future, the same may happen to PS3 discs, so if you agree with encrypted DVD videos, you should agree with encrypted PS3 games. Either both, or none.

[Clutz450]

AFAIK, Gaia manager and all other tools so far can only create file-based (jailbreak format) backups and no sector-based ISO.

Yeah, Gaia manager doesn't create ISOs.  From what I understand it decrypts the files and copies them to the PS3 hard drive.  Then I use an FTP program on both my PS3 and my laptop to copy the files over to my computer.  I was hoping that there would be a way for me to convert the folder into an ISO and then get the data from it through HashCalc but as we said before it would still be a decrypted ISO.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a similar issue over at No-Intro regarding NES roms?  Like should the roms they make the database from be headered or non-headered.  Non-headered would be 1:1 but be useless in emulators where as headered would not be 1:1 but would work in emulators.  Is that kind of like the dilemma we are in now?