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Anyone have any good idea's on how to dump these CD's?

They have invalid TOC and dummy files (700+MB).

I have a couple of EIDOS games with this, Thief - The Dark Project, and some other I don't remember at the moment.

Is there some raw way to rip an image without taking my hardware apart for people to examine?

I do have a plextor CDRW if there is a tool for it which can do the job.

Discs with a similar structure (4 Tracks -> Data, Audio, Audio, Data)

US (CDLock)    -> Illegal TOC + OverSized (all discs)
UK (CDLock)    -> Illegal TOC + OverSized (all discs)
DE (LaserLock) -> Illegal TOC + OverSized (not every disc)+ Encrypted Data (a visible ring)

(*) subs checked

USA
https://redump.info/disc/10690/ -> Commandos: Beyond the Call of Duty (USA) (?) bad dump
https://redump.info/disc/11798/ -> Commandos: Beyond the Call of Duty (USA) (?) sub-code checked?
https://redump.info/disc/11797/ -> Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines (USA) (?) sub-code checked?
https://redump.info/disc/24287/ -> Project I.G.I.: I'm Going In (USA) (?)
https://redump.info/disc/10516/ -> Thief: The Dark Project (USA) (*)
https://redump.info/disc/6584/   -> Tomb Raider III: Adventures of Lara Croft (USA) (*)
https://redump.info/disc/6602/   -> Tomb Raider III: Adventures of Lara Croft (USA) (*)

UK
https://redump.info/disc/16024/  -> Tomb Raider III: The Lost Artefact (Europe) (*)

DE
https://redump.info/disc/9204/   -> Gothic (Germany) (Disc 2) (*)
https://redump.info/disc/9206/   -> Stephen King's F13 (Germany) (*)

The Tomb Raider III games have already had their subchannels checked by F1ReB4LL (at least I remember my dump was).

TY Haldrie

Nexy you can post the subchannel data here and let somebody determine the correct gap length for the first.

Yup sure, I don't use rapidshare or crap however... and it's too big to post here, so dunno how to do that.

The Audio tracks are just dummy tracks containing only silence however.

Dunno about the 2nd data track, if it has any useful data in it, or is just crap... you decide.

subchannels are usually compressable to 1-2 mb

I uploaded my subs in this thread, I don't know if somebody checked them.

I've been examining this disc, and here are my findings.

the TOC is perfectly valid. The ISO directory is invalid. The 2 audio tracks and the 2nd data track are there to mess up bin/cue copying and to fill the disc up to the last possible sector. The 2nd data track contains a copy of the ISO header, and some sectors later, has pointers listed for the invalid files contained in the invalid ISO directory. This 2nd data track can/would be used to check if the disc is an original or copy, as most normal copy software would fail to either copy it, or bin/cue does not support data tracks after audio tracks and therefore any check for the existence of this data will fail. It will work just fine with clonecd or alcohol image formats.

The audio tracks contain only silence (00) and as I said are just there to fill up the disc IMO.

I think "illegal TOC" is being used incorrectly here; long ago, some people started using that term to refer to discs with more than one data track, but that's actually within the standards, and the BIN/CUE format should be more than enough to make a full dump (just like in the PC Engine games).

well it goes

DATA TRACK
AUDIO TRACK
AUDIO TRACK
DATA TRACK

bin/cue doesn't support this, just like CD Extra.