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Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?
Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 4:49 pm
by dumper
I want to dump Christmas Nights into Dreams (E)
This what Exact Audio Copy says:
Track Gap
01 00:02:00 - Data Track
02 00:00:00 - Data Track
03 00:02:00 - Audio Track
04 00:02:00 - Audio Track
Etc 00:02:00 - Audio Track
I have dumped track 01 and 02 using IsoBuster
Then I have used these commands to fix the gaps
"remove -size=150sec track01.bin trash.bin"
"psxt001z --gen pregap.bin 352800"
"copy /b pregap.bin+track02.bin new_track02.bin"
I do have a question. Did I dump this game properly?
I am not very sure, because this website says:
www.toseciso.org/details.php?id=1575 - scroll down
Track Gap
01 00:02:00 - Data Track
02 00:03:00 - Data Track
03 00:02:00 - Audio Track
04 00:02:00 - Audio Track
Etc 00:02:00 - Audio Track
This what I think is right after fixing the gaps:
Track Gap
01 00:00:00 - Data Track
02 00:02:00 - Data Track
03 00:02:00 - Audio Track
04 00:02:00 - Audio Track
Etc 00:02:00 - Audio Track
Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?
Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 7:15 pm
by Rocknroms
Within the next 48 hours I'll post a SS dumping guide so everything should be explained.
To get the right gaps of these games without a plextor and without PerfectRip, you have to check it manually with subs (taken with CloneCD only).
Normally gaps between the 2 data tracks is 3.00 (but could be also 2.00 or 4.00), 1 sector of mode1/2352 and 2 sectors of mode2/2352; take a sub and post it so we can check.
Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 11:11 am
by dumper
Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 1:16 pm
by F1ReB4LL
Rocknroms wrote:Normally gaps between the 2 data tracks is 3.00 (but could be also 2.00 or 4.00), 1 sector of mode1/2352 and 2 sectors of mode2/2352; take a sub and post it so we can check.
Gaps can be any,
https://redump.info/disc/5255/ -- 6.00,
https://redump.info/disc/3283/ -- 8.00.
Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 1:38 pm
by F1ReB4LL
Christmas Nights into Dreams (E).sub wrote:FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
TRACK 03 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track04.bin" BINARY
TRACK 04 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track05.bin" BINARY
TRACK 05 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track06.bin" BINARY
TRACK 06 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track07.bin" BINARY
TRACK 07 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track08.bin" BINARY
TRACK 08 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track09.bin" BINARY
TRACK 09 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track10.bin" BINARY
TRACK 10 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track11.bin" BINARY
TRACK 11 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track12.bin" BINARY
TRACK 12 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track13.bin" BINARY
TRACK 13 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track14.bin" BINARY
TRACK 14 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track15.bin" BINARY
TRACK 15 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track16.bin" BINARY
TRACK 16 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track17.bin" BINARY
TRACK 17 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track18.bin" BINARY
TRACK 18 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track19.bin" BINARY
TRACK 19 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track20.bin" BINARY
TRACK 20 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
Nights into Dreams (E).sub wrote:FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
TRACK 03 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track04.bin" BINARY
TRACK 04 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track05.bin" BINARY
TRACK 05 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track06.bin" BINARY
TRACK 06 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track07.bin" BINARY
TRACK 07 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track08.bin" BINARY
TRACK 08 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track09.bin" BINARY
TRACK 09 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track10.bin" BINARY
TRACK 10 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track11.bin" BINARY
TRACK 11 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track12.bin" BINARY
TRACK 12 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track13.bin" BINARY
TRACK 13 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track14.bin" BINARY
TRACK 14 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track15.bin" BINARY
TRACK 15 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track16.bin" BINARY
TRACK 16 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track17.bin" BINARY
TRACK 17 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track18.bin" BINARY
TRACK 18 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track19.bin" BINARY
TRACK 19 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track20.bin" BINARY
TRACK 20 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track21.bin" BINARY
TRACK 21 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
Nights into Dreams (U).sub wrote:FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:03:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
TRACK 03 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track04.bin" BINARY
TRACK 04 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track05.bin" BINARY
TRACK 05 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track06.bin" BINARY
TRACK 06 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track07.bin" BINARY
TRACK 07 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:01:02
FILE "Track08.bin" BINARY
TRACK 08 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track09.bin" BINARY
TRACK 09 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track10.bin" BINARY
TRACK 10 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track11.bin" BINARY
TRACK 11 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track12.bin" BINARY
TRACK 12 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track13.bin" BINARY
TRACK 13 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track14.bin" BINARY
TRACK 14 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track15.bin" BINARY
TRACK 15 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track16.bin" BINARY
TRACK 16 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track17.bin" BINARY
TRACK 17 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track18.bin" BINARY
TRACK 18 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track19.bin" BINARY
TRACK 19 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track20.bin" BINARY
TRACK 20 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track21.bin" BINARY
TRACK 21 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
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dumper wrote:Then I have used these commands to fix the gaps
"remove -size=150sec track01.bin trash.bin"
"psxt001z --gen pregap.bin 352800"
"copy /b pregap.bin+track02.bin new_track02.bin"
Heey, you can't do this, the gap between the datatracks isn't empty, you must dump it, not generate.
dumper wrote:I am not very sure, because this website says:
www.toseciso.org/details.php?id=1575 - scroll down
Track Gap
01 00:02:00 - Data Track
02 00:03:00 - Data Track
03 00:02:00 - Audio Track
04 00:02:00 - Audio Track
Etc 00:02:00 - Audio Track
This what I think is right after fixing the gaps:
Track Gap
01 00:00:00 - Data Track
02 00:02:00 - Data Track
03 00:02:00 - Audio Track
04 00:02:00 - Audio Track
Etc 00:02:00 - Audio Track
What's about the ringcode? Maybe there were different pressings?
Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 1:42 pm
by Rocknroms
I noticed everything above, so it's better to wait for a guide for new dumps. I'm working on it.
F1ReB4LL wrote:Rocknroms wrote:Normally gaps between the 2 data tracks is 3.00 (but could be also 2.00 or 4.00), 1 sector of mode1/2352 and 2 sectors of mode2/2352; take a sub and post it so we can check.
Gaps can be any,
https://redump.info/disc/5255/ -- 6.00,
https://redump.info/disc/3283/ -- 8.00.
Yes, but normally is 3.00, or not?
Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 4:15 pm
by F1ReB4LL
Rocknroms wrote:Yes, but normally is 3.00, or not?
More dumps needed to figure it out.
Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 5:56 pm
by Rocknroms
F1ReB4LL wrote:Rocknroms wrote:Yes, but normally is 3.00, or not?
More dumps needed to figure it out.
How many 2 data tracks SS games do you think were produced? Half were at least dumped, but could be checked within bin-cues/etc. around. You need to dump it all to say that normally it's 3.00? And exceptions are a matter of fact otherwise I will say that "is always 3.00".
Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 10:29 pm
by F1ReB4LL
Rocknroms wrote:Half were at least dumped, but could be checked within bin-cues/etc. around.
They are always bad (CDRWin issue?). Girl Doll Toy #0601 release by Darkwater -- 00:03:00
instead of 00:06:00; same for dozens of VFCG Vol.04: Pai Chan dumps floating around, so I don't believe them.
Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 10:53 pm
by Rocknroms
F1ReB4LL wrote:Rocknroms wrote:Half were at least dumped, but could be checked within bin-cues/etc. around.
They are always bad (CDRWin issue?). Girl Doll Toy #0601 release by Darkwater -- 00:03:00
instead of 00:06:00; same for dozens of VFCG Vol.04: Pai Chan dumps floating around, so I don't believe them.
I mean "identify games with 2 data tracks" and not "identify lenght of pregap", it has to be implicit I know those were wrong after dumping around 200 discs and converting around 300.
All bad dumps around at least don't mismatch data with audio.
I Repeat: after dumping half or more discs with 2 data tracks ---> the common pregap is 3.00 seconds, but obviously it could be also different.