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Re: DiscImageCreator

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:50 pm
by jhmiller
The error of the last two sections is a "common" issue with dcdumper.
You have to delete the previous section (47) and, normally, in the next try, the 2 last sections (48 and 49) are dumped.

Anyway I recommend you to change the options a bit in the dcdumper.
In my case it is better to use fewer sections of larger size and fewer passes.
I have used: -i56018 -p4
This make 9 sections of aprox 125 MB and in 4 passes.
But that is another subject.


Today I tried again with DIC, and the errors come again.
It starts to dump and after a while it stops showing:
"SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-64-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - ILLEGAL MODE FOR THIS TRACK"

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D:\DIC\DiscImageCreator.exe gd t SANGOVI.bin 8 /c2 /s0
OS
        Windows 7 Professional Service Pack 1 64bit
AppVersion
        x86, AnsiBuild, Mar 14 2017 22:07:12
/c2 val1 is omitted. set [1024]
/c2 val2 is omitted. set [4096]
/c2 val3 is omitted. set [4]
/s val is omitted. set [1]
CurrentDirectory
        D:\DIC
WorkingPath
         Argument: SANGOVI.bin
         FullPath: D:\DIC\SANGOVI
            Drive: D:
        Directory: \DIC\
         Filename: SANGOVI
        Extension: .bin
Start time: 2017-03-27(Mon) 21:13:27
Allocating packed memory for C2 errors: 8192
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1269] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fa, 01, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x1, subch: 0x1]
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1269] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fa, 02, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x1, subch: 0x2]
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1269] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fa, 04, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x1, subch: 0x4]
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1269] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fc, 01, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x2, subch: 0x1]
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1269] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fc, 02, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x2, subch: 0x2]
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1269] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fc, 04, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x2, subch: 0x4]
This drive can read a data sector at scrambled mode [subch: 00]
This drive can read a data sector at scrambled mode [subch: 0x1]
This drive can read a data sector at scrambled mode [subch: 0x2]
LBA[045000, 0x0afc8], [F:ExecSearchingOffset][L:64] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 04, 00, 00, af, c8, 00, 00, 01, f8, 04, 00
dwBufSize: 2448
Couldn't read a data sector at scrambled mode [subch: 0x4]
Checking SubQ adr (Track)  1/ 1
Checking SubRtoW (Track)  1/ 1
Set read command: 0xbe, subcode reading mode: Raw
LBA[045049, 0x0aff9], [F:ProcessReadCD][L:1469] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-64-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - ILLEGAL MODE FOR THIS TRACK
End time: 2017-03-27(Mon) 21:13:35
I don't know why errors occurs using DIC and the H353A.
But with dcdumper can read to the end, using the same discs in the same unit.
I've dumped the same disc in the SHD162C using dcdumper and the result is exact the same that in the H353A.

If I can help you in any way, tell me.
If you can understand my English Image

Re: DiscImageCreator

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:56 pm
by sarami
F1ReB4LL wrote:cherokeelzzS reported me about 2 Saturn discs undumpable with DIC.
I contacted directly.
F1ReB4LL wrote:1) CD+G subs are completely different if dumped in 0xD8 mode (R-W channels are in some weird format in this case and the data is unusable).
subdump is obviously same format in mode 1, 2 and 6. mode 5 is obviously different format. mode 1, 2, 6 is raw sub, mode 5 is pack sub. This is same too in dic.

I think the pack mode is generally used to create the cdg file (2448byte, main+sub) of CDRWIN, perfectrip, not the sub file.

Re: DiscImageCreator

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:41 am
by sarami
jhmiller wrote:The error of the last two sections is a "common" issue with dcdumper.
You have to delete the previous section (47) and, normally, in the next try, the 2 last sections (48 and 49) are dumped.
Anyway I recommend you to change the options a bit in the dcdumper.
In my case it is better to use fewer sections of larger size and fewer passes.
I have used: -i56018 -p4
This make 9 sections of aprox 125 MB and in 4 passes.
Thanks, it worked with this option.

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 DCdumper.exe E:\MyApp\rippingTools\DCdumper (0.42a)\DCdumper.exe d: -i56018 -p4 

Handle acquired.
Load disc: Done.
Sector map created.

..................:::::::::::::::: PASS 1 ::::::::::::::::..................
Reading section 1: 044990-101007 - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Reading section 2: 101008-157025 - Initial dump.
Reading section 3: 157026-213043 - Initial dump.
Reading section 4: 213044-269061 - Initial dump.
Reading section 5: 269062-325079 - Initial dump.
Reading section 6: 325080-381097 - Initial dump.
Reading section 7: 381098-437115 - Initial dump.
Reading section 8: 437116-493133 - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Reading section 9: 493134-549150 - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.

..................:::::::::::::::: PASS 2 ::::::::::::::::..................
Reading section 1: 044990-101007 - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Reading section 2: 101008-157025 - MATCH: 973bfb477c23e55da5b3d8bb246b6474
Reading section 3: 157026-213043 - MATCH: fb84893be4b9da5ed6e4194fa987486c
Reading section 4: 213044-269061 - MATCH: 935da69bcf8ddfbca9c6dad844ce9812
Reading section 5: 269062-325079 - MATCH: 7f7b998bbb8c288e0fb2179a42b99cf7
Reading section 6: 325080-381097 - MATCH: b54f366ac60e6533a541d842b291b04a
Reading section 7: 381098-437115 - MATCH: ee3f138d8bf0e1654cd5467f32d47323
Reading section 8: 437116-493133 - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Reading section 9: 493134-549150 - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.

..................:::::::::::::::: PASS 3 ::::::::::::::::..................
Reading section 1: 044990-101007 - read error.
Fake read. Retry - read error.
Fake read. Retry - Initial dump.
Reading section 8: 437116-493133 - Initial dump.
Reading section 9: 493134-549150 - Initial dump.

..................:::::::::::::::: PASS 4 ::::::::::::::::..................
Reading section 1: 044990-101007 - read error.
Fake read. Retry - MATCH: 14974447a1ac210a5738aec1e14b8822
Reading section 8: 437116-493133 - MATCH: f3f664a934420174bb706a083cdb4b94
Reading section 9: 493134-549150 - MATCH: e7200daa7dea585e92a5563852296033
Creating dense.bin: Done. Pass this to ice.exe
And this Behavior was hint for me. Fortunately, the src exists in dcdumper, so I could add the reread algorism in dic.
I tested my dc disc 3 times and succeeded all.

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please put a option to disable the beep beep beep when the program finish !!!
Added /q option.

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Gives lots of errors !
It seems that TS-H353A doesn't support /c2.

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/s0
/s 0 is correct. needs space between "s" and "0"
http://www.mediafire.com/file/eq80y20l9 … or_test.7z

Re: DiscImageCreator

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:18 pm
by F1ReB4LL
sarami wrote:subdump is obviously same format in mode 1, 2 and 6. mode 5 is obviously different format. mode 1, 2, 6 is raw sub, mode 5 is pack sub. This is same too in dic.
Packed sub for Plextor should match the raw sub, but without errors, but mode 5 dumps are completely different.

Re: DiscImageCreator

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:21 pm
by F1ReB4LL
https://redump.info/disc/41421/ -- it seems my copy has a 1-sector subchannels offset, but DIC detects it as Sub/TOC desync and incorrectly fixes the gaps.

Re: DiscImageCreator

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:34 am
by jhmiller
sarami wrote:
jhmiller wrote:    The error of the last two sections is a "common" issue with dcdumper.
    You have to delete the previous section (47) and, normally, in the next try, the 2 last sections (48 and 49) are dumped.
    Anyway I recommend you to change the options a bit in the dcdumper.
    In my case it is better to use fewer sections of larger size and fewer passes.
    I have used: -i56018 -p4
    This make 9 sections of aprox 125 MB and in 4 passes.
Thanks, it worked with this option.
However you have to be careful because the dcdumper can create corrupt dumps.
In the txt created by ice, if at the end of the track line there are parentheses with numbers, that track has errors.

This is OK:

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---------------------------------
03  Mode1   45000  549149  504150 ok
---------------------------------
And this is BAD

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---------------------------------
03  Mode1   45000  549149  504150 ok (1)
---------------------------------
EXCEPT for the last track of a game with audio tracks.
In that case the last track show "(75)" and is a correct dump:

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25  Audio  231300  254022   22723 ok
26  Audio  254023  262649    8627 ok
27  Mode1  262650  549149  286500 ok (75)
---------------------------------
With this version I can dumped the discs to the end !!!

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D:\Sistemas\Dreamcast\DIC>DiscImageCreator.exe gd t HDR-0115\HDR-0115.bin 8 /c2 /s 0
OS
        Windows 7 Professional Service Pack 1 64bit
AppVersion
        x86, AnsiBuild, Mar 29 2017 14:54:17
/c2 val1 is omitted. set [1024]
/c2 val2 is omitted. set [4096]
/c2 val3 is omitted. set [4]
CurrentDirectory
        D:\Sistemas\Dreamcast\DIC
WorkingPath
         Argument: HDR-0115\HDR-0115.bin
         FullPath: D:\Sistemas\Dreamcast\DIC\HDR-0115\HDR-0115
            Drive: D:
        Directory: \Sistemas\Dreamcast\DIC\HDR-0115\
         Filename: HDR-0115
        Extension: .bin
Start time: 2017-03-29(Wed) 19:38:56
Allocating packed memory for C2 errors: 8192
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1289] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fa, 01, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x1, subch: 0x1]
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1289] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fa, 02, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x1, subch: 0x2]
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1289] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fa, 04, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x1, subch: 0x4]
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1289] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fc, 01, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x2, subch: 0x1]
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1289] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fc, 02, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x2, subch: 0x2]
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1289] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fc, 04, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x2, subch: 0x4]
This drive can read a data sector at scrambled mode [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 00, subch: 00]
This drive can read a data sector at scrambled mode [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 00, subch: 0x1]
This drive can read a data sector at scrambled mode [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 00, subch: 0x2]
LBA[045000, 0x0afc8], [F:ExecSearchingOffset][L:64] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 04, 00, 00, af, c8, 00, 00, 01, f8, 04, 00
dwBufSize: 2448
Couldn't read a data sector at scrambled mode [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 00, subch: 0x4]
Checking SubQ adr (Track)  1/ 1
Checking SubRtoW (Track)  1/ 1
Set read command: 0xbe, subcode reading mode: Raw
Creating bin from 45000 to 549151 (LBA) 549150
Descrambling File(LBA) 504149/504150
Split File(num)  3/ 3
Calculating hash: HDR-0115 (Track 3).bin
Calculating hash: HDR-0115.img2

End time: 2017-03-29(Wed) 19:54:31
And a second time

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D:\Sistemas\Dreamcast\DIC>DiscImageCreator.exe gd t "HDR-0115 Rip 2"\HDR-0115.bin 8 /c2 /s 0 /q
OS
        Windows 7 Professional Service Pack 1 64bit
AppVersion
        x86, AnsiBuild, Mar 29 2017 14:54:17
/c2 val1 is omitted. set [1024]
/c2 val2 is omitted. set [4096]
/c2 val3 is omitted. set [4]
CurrentDirectory
        D:\Sistemas\Dreamcast\DIC
WorkingPath
         Argument: HDR-0115 Rip 2\HDR-0115.bin
         FullPath: D:\Sistemas\Dreamcast\DIC\HDR-0115 Rip 2\HDR-0115
            Drive: D:
        Directory: \Sistemas\Dreamcast\DIC\HDR-0115 Rip 2\
         Filename: HDR-0115
        Extension: .bin
Start time: 2017-03-29(Wed) 19:58:20
Allocating packed memory for C2 errors: 8192
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1289] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fa, 01, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x1, subch: 0x1]
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1289] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fa, 02, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x1, subch: 0x2]
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1289] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fa, 04, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x1, subch: 0x4]
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1289] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fc, 01, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x2, subch: 0x1]
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1289] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fc, 02, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x2, subch: 0x2]
LBA[000000, 0000000], [F:ExecCheckingByteOrder][L:1289] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 01, fc, 04, 00
dwBufSize: 2742
This drive doesn't support [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 0x2, subch: 0x4]
This drive can read a data sector at scrambled mode [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 00, subch: 00]
This drive can read a data sector at scrambled mode [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 00, subch: 0x1]
This drive can read a data sector at scrambled mode [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 00, subch: 0x2]
LBA[045000, 0x0afc8], [F:ExecSearchingOffset][L:64] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-24-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - INVALID FIELD IN CDB
lpCmd: be, 04, 00, 00, af, c8, 00, 00, 01, f8, 04, 00
dwBufSize: 2448
Couldn't read a data sector at scrambled mode [command: 0xbe, c2flag: 00, subch: 0x4]
Checking SubQ adr (Track)  1/ 1
Checking SubRtoW (Track)  1/ 1
LBA[045000, 0x0afc8], [F:ReadCDForGDTOC][L:2693] OperationCode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 05-64-00 = ILLEGAL_REQUEST - ILLEGAL MODE FOR THIS TRACK
lpCmd: be, 04, 00, 00, af, c8, 00, 00, 02, f8, 00, 00
dwBufSize: 2352
Retry 1/10 after 5 sec
Set read command: 0xbe, subcode reading mode: Raw
Creating bin from 45000 to 549151 (LBA) 549150
Descrambling File(LBA) 504149/504150
Split File(num)  3/ 3
Calculating hash: HDR-0115 (Track 3).bin
Calculating hash: HDR-0115.img2

End time: 2017-03-29(Wed) 20:14:04
But when comparing the 2 "Track 3.bin", I found differences.
Today I'll do more dumps and tests

Re: DiscImageCreator

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:00 am
by sarami
How about the other sub (subdump, clonecd, perfectrip etc.)? I have the disc that ADR of 1st sector is 3(ISRC) and confirmed that sub offset is injustice.

Re: DiscImageCreator

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:50 pm
by F1ReB4LL
sarami wrote:How about the other sub (subdump, clonecd, perfectrip etc.)? I have the disc that ADR of 1st sector is 3(ISRC) and confirmed that sub offset is injustice.

Re: DiscImageCreator

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:15 pm
by sarami
sarami wrote:I have the disc that ADR of 1st sector is 3(ISRC) and confirmed that sub offset is injustice.
F1ReB4LL wrote:it seems my copy has a 1-sector subchannels offset, but DIC detects it as Sub/TOC desync and incorrectly fixes the gaps.
Fixed
http://www.mediafire.com/file/eq80y20l9 … or_test.7z

Re: DiscImageCreator

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:44 am
by jhmiller
I've done more dumps,and I've found differences in all of them.
The first dump does not match the second in any case.