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I would like to see the Ability to leave comments for specific discs and perhaps post images

athough posting images to the site for each disc would probably run into bandwidth problems maybe allow only Dumpers to view this "extra" data giving people an incentive to becoming a dumper.

Redump.org should have a donate to this project link available to help fund not only the sites bandwidth but also to help some of our hard working Dumpers with compensation with aquiring said disc images.

Maybe use some of the donation money for Raffles for Dumpers where each new dump / verified disc they post earns them a "ticket"

It's a fact that no matter your gripes about the site Redump.org is a great resource for disc preservation.

Dumping and hoarding then telling people to goto eBay does not solve anything and only annoys collectors. If you want to motivate others to dump / verify your images just say you will not post them for a certain period of time but outright refusing to ever upload anything is just sad.

If you arent planning on sharing your dumps why share your hash information ? If a dumper does not wish to share his dumps maybe we should have a seperate userclass for "Dump Verifier" so people will know that your "hoarding" your dumps.

as far as naming convention is concerned great stop uploading because you noone else is seeing things your way boo hoo cry more and here is a violin so you can really make us feel sorry for you.

maybe start a site called http://hoarded.notsharing.org im sure you'll get alot of visitors and you can even name them how you like!

themabus wrote:well, this site might be - on the paper. but when you look at it, what's really happening -
ther's no way to trace back those images to actual CDs - how is this an preservation? it's an charade.

This type of thing has been discussed before over at No-Intro http://forums.no-intro.org/viewtopic.ph … amp;t=1331 and I'm sure in other dumping groups as well. Unless you want to make "themabus dumping project" where the only member is yourself that is the only way to guarantee that every image was dumped from an actual retail disc. FitzRoy from No-Intro said it best "The only person you can trust 100% is yourself."

A friend of mine brought up a great point when he said a lot of people could care less about where a dump came from or how the dump is tagged they just want a clean copy of a game to run in a emulator. The dumping community will always be small it always has been this is not a hobby most people want to get involved with because it either takes special hardware, it's expensive, it's "too hard", or simply the desire to do so is not there. So holding back dumps from your fellow dumpers just because you want more people to dump or you don't agree with the naming scheme is just low. This hobby will never be mainstream and it will never be perfect. Accept it for what it's trying to do and continue foward.

kiczek brings up some really vaild points and I agree 100% when he said "If you arent planning on sharing your dumps why share your hash information?." Dumping disc based media is tough because a lot of the discs we purchase and dump are used and rarely if ever in new condition. Sometimes I have to buy multiple copies of a disc to get a good dump because the previous discs weren't suitable for dumping do to scratches or abrasions. Consider yourself lucky themabus that you have been so successful in getting complete dumps from import media.

Throwing up a ebay link is laughable give me a break man my point was that dumping imports is expensive and it's not guaranteed that the disc you purchase from ebay will be suitable for dumping. It seems that the only reason your holding this little protest is because you have dumped some games that are hard for people to obtain and your using that as leverage to get what you want. Pretty sad man it definitely says a lot about your character. Oh well your going to do what you want to do and everything said here is just my opinion. If you take a step back then that's fine there will always be someone there to replace you.

I guess, it would be better to include all the metadata in the dat.

it could be .dat if there would be means to process it afterwards
otherwise it's in vain - it will be lost there

This type of thing has been discussed before over at No-Intro...

that's completely not what i mean
it's not a matter a trust

ther's enough information in db on website but it's being lost on it's way
what people get are those images that do not mean anything by themselves
only way to connect 'Game (v1.1)' with actual media is through website
i believe there should not be such dependece
images should be on their own - a representation of physical media in electronic form,
an alternative for those that for one reason or another can not have it

it would lack some information, like: cover scans, manuals, but currently it is not our concern - we make backups from CDs
if described properly we could go just this far

there could be other projects that would complete lacking information or redump.org could do it later on
but by current descriptions, which file names are it's impossible

this whole thing we're doing is getting perverted on a last step - that's what's sad - it could be so much better

the great thing about an open database like this is that ANYONE can challenge the results by simply buying the game and comparing.

it reminds me of scientific evidence, no matter how much evidence you accumulate (in this case the amount of dumpers with matching checksums), you can never have 100% PROOF unless you do it yourself. thats why a database is not about absolutes, but credence. redump.org provides credence that an image has been dumped properly, thats all that it can do. but considering we're all going to be dead one day, the amount of effort put into ensuring a correct dump has been done as happens on redump, makes us look like professional archivists. on UG, there used to be complaints about images that were incorrectly dumped, this hasnt been the case with the redumps sets and i think that says something, especially when you look at how popular they have become on that tracker (the thread is almost 40 pages long!).

if you ever expect redump to be as popular as no-intro, then the only way to accomplish this is keep on keepin on, dump images and spread sets.

Many of you guys have probably seen me around the forums - I have been hanging around on the forum for the past couple of weeks...

I have a fairly large PlayStation collection - in which a good selection of titles I own are currently "undumped". I have been looking for some sort of Goodxxx/TOSEC/No-Intro/etc project focusing on PS-1 for probably a year now - and stumbled on here by accident when looking for a track CRC-32 for a game I dumped in which I was going to patch. I still believe it's early days and in time the project will attract more interest.

I have a fair amount of experience in media backup but not preservation (yes there's a difference), but seem to feel a little uneasy becoming a dumper since I'm new and worry about not filling all the information requirements expected from the dumped image.

Therefore, maybe if we could have some sort of "form" with fields that the user could complete it might encourage more people to contribute dump info - or some sort of standard layout that needs to be followed when submitting release info to the forum (everyone seems to have their own ways and whether they include reports such as LC1/LC2 info and/or EAC/psxt001z logs).

SoulReever wrote:Therefore, maybe if we could have some sort of "form" with fields that the user could complete it might encourage more people to contribute dump info - or some sort of standard layout that needs to be followed when submitting release info to the forum (everyone seems to have their own ways and inclusion of supplied reports such as LC1/LC2 info and EAC/psxt001z logs).

When you obtain dumper status you can use the 'New Disc' function which has exactly that

ps. could anyone tell me what this topic is about? I seem to have missed something.

Jackal wrote:When you obtain dumper status you can use the 'New Disc' function which has exactly that

Hopefully I will obtain "dumper" status soon - I wasn't aware that it could be that easy to post dump info

The same issue I mentioned here is in the other thread about the missing games list on UG wiki. (The US/PAL lists are title only and don't correlate with the editions dumped)

Maybe a hand-edited clrmame dat would be sufficient for most info that is now only available on the website.

But still dat and images go a different way. Ideally each image needs to have a file with it that explains what it is, where it is from, additional info about the file and much more.
Even the scene gets this right nowadays with their nice-looking nfos (just look at some nfos from DS roms). Though scene is not about preservation, their NFOs provide good information.

would records be described properly, there would be no need to worry about additional information
it could be included later on, by different people, different project perhaps - it wouldn't matter
we'd have done the best we can on our part - preservation of CD images in a way relating them to a source material
so if somebody later thinks, that release date is important or publisher or something else -
there would be no bariers for such information's inclusion
it would relate with records exactly like with original medium

but unfortunately lack of information is only one of problems associated with current naming scheme

certain amount of misinformation is being produced:
apparently Sony assigned serials to editions (not titles) for PSX Japan market
now serials are being included in filenames
but, except for a few instances, you will never be able to find later editions (such as PlayStation the Best, PSone Books, etc)
in redump.org's PSX Japan set (outside website, that is)
currently all kinds of serials are being treated on the same level:
Sony's assigned, Publisher's assigned, EXE names, Others (missprints and such)
and, when filename is generated, only first one from set will be included,
which mostly, not always, is EXE name
this creates an illusion of Sony's edition<->serial relationship presence
(to which people are used to - since it's association you'll find everywhere on web,
so i believe this is how they will translate serial: as describing edition),
when in fact it's lost and crooked

also systems would get increasingly diversified for no sound reason -
solely because different ways are implemented to separate colliding records, when there could be one

Maybe a hand-edited clrmame dat would be sufficient for most info that is now only available on the website.

indeed it is possible to  create scripts that would leech this information from redump.org and reassemble .dat
but it's not a rational solution
it's a hacking in a sense
besides nobody would care about it
why would they, when you're getting data directly from website and even images (CD) organized accordingly?

this is of course my subjective view of things
to one problem there can be several answer
so i wouldn't want to propagandize this (maybe deluded) opinion further on
but rather would like to see people think about those matters, on their own - not being so passive
i hope then, if ther's enough interest, an sensible solution will be reached