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Re: Help dumping Moto Racer (E)
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:57 am
by Rocknroms
Stay always on method A unless it finds strange pregaps. I have an LG too, even mine is slow on the first audio track.
About your questions: EAC pregap detection is not always right (I posted a thread in dump section right now about a similar problem), when you look into IB to see offset correction you have to understand also if EAC pregap is right. A clue, as I undestand, is the syncronization of 2352 data format headers (the row you find at the beginning of every 2352 sector
.ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ.....). If this row is shifted ** so this is data that has to be moved on first audio track, instead if this row is regular this sector is part of data track (if under IB you find a row where EAC indicates start of pregap, you have to move forward 1 sector, so if EAC says 2.00 seconds you have to set 1.74 and obviously you have to cut track01 of 350448 instead of 352800).
** shifted row
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00000000 00 00 CA 90 21 37 8D 69 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ..Ê.!7.i.ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ
00000010 FF FF FF 00 30 13 23 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ÿÿÿ.0.#.........
I hope to have explained it right.
Re: Help dumping Moto Racer (E)
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:07 pm
by ulugabi
I understand a bit but not totally since i 'm not sure how the datas have to be in order to respect the redump.org method.
Here my data track is as secors as IB say it.
Maybe u can download my iso on underground gamer (or i can send it to u) in order to tell me if it's good or not
by the way which hex editor do u think is best, i have win hex workshop?
And in your post in dumps section you spoke about : "but if you try to go one sector back progam and cdreader freeze"; Is this normal since the same thing happen when i do sector viex on the fu ntracks release?
Re: Help dumping Moto Racer (E)
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:23 pm
by Rocknroms
It's not necessary you upload full track. Use remove (
/viewtopic.php?t=1335) on your resized track with following command
remove -Size=375sec "track 01.bin" end_of_track.bin (backup track before this operation) then upload "end_of_track" somewhere so we can check this last 4-5 seconds you are talking about.
Re: Help dumping Moto Racer (E)
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:28 pm
by Rocknroms
ulugabi wrote:by the way which hex editor do u think is best, i have win hex workshop?
HxD --->
http://mh-nexus.de/en/
ulugabi wrote:And in your post in dumps section you spoke about : "but if you try to go one sector back progam and cdreader freeze"; Is this normal since the same thing happen when i do sector viex on the fu ntracks release?
Some drivers cannot read sectors between data and audio tracks and freeze, but in the case of my thread is probably a mastering error that is the cause of wrong pregap detection.
Re: Help dumping Moto Racer (E)
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:33 pm
by ulugabi
Here it is:
http://dl.free.fr/rPUul9mCv
Hope we will have finish soon, i can't scan and dump over games while i look for this.
So this error can be interesting since it's just one sector before the "end of data track sector said by IB -150 on Fun Tracks and on Moto Racer too
Re: Help dumping Moto Racer (E)
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:54 pm
by Rocknroms
Your track is perfectly normal, below is last sector (it seems Mode2 data, I'm right?), the first row is the header that contains information of this sector on cd or track.
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000D6C20 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 05 32 56 02 .ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ..2V.
000D6C30 00 00 20 00 00 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .. ... .........
000D6C40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6C50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6C60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6C70 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6C80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6C90 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6CA0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6CB0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6CC0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6CD0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6CE0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6CF0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6D00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6D10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6D20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6D30 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6D40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6D50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6D60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6D70 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6D80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6D90 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6DA0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6DB0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6DC0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6DD0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6DE0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6DF0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6E00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6E10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
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000D6E50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
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000D6E80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6E90 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
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000D6EC0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6ED0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6EE0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6EF0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6F00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6F10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6F20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6F30 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6F40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6F50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6F60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6F70 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6F80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6F90 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6FA0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6FB0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6FC0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6FD0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6FE0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D6FF0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7000 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7010 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7020 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7030 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7040 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7050 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7060 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7070 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7080 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7090 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D70A0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D70B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D70C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D70D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D70E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D70F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7100 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7110 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7120 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7130 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7140 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7150 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7160 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7170 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7180 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7190 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D71A0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D71B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D71C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D71D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D71E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D71F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7200 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7210 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7220 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7230 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7240 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7250 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7260 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7270 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7280 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7290 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D72A0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D72B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D72C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D72D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D72E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D72F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7300 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7310 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7320 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7330 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7340 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7350 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7360 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7370 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7380 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7390 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D73A0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D73B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D73C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D73D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D73E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D73F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7400 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7410 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7420 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7430 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7440 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7450 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7460 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7470 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7480 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7490 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D74A0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D74B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D74C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D74D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D74E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D74F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7500 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7510 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7520 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7530 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
000D7540 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3F 13 B0 BE ............?.°¾
Try as explained in the guide, go before back of "pregap - 1 sector" (ex: 150 - 1 -> 149) and than go back of last one.
If there's nothing else then cd-drive freezing is not an interesting error *. Don't worry dump your game.
*
Some drivers cannot read sectors between data and audio tracks and freeze
Cannot read this data within IB and other sector viewer programs.
Re: Help dumping Moto Racer (E)
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:12 pm
by ulugabi
You're right.
For the freeze i will take the example of this fun tracks release:
IB says Track starts at 24 957
24 957- 149 = 24 808
and it don't load sector view when i try sector 24 806
I must admit i'm completely lost with these sectors and hex editor thing
For example i don't udnerstand why HxD put yyyy in right column for FFF and not sector viexw in IB
Why there re these FFF and 3F 13 B0 BE at the very end of the file i sent you while i see nothing in sector viex from IB?
And why if as u say the driver freeze between audio and data track it happens at this sector since there are 150 other sectors before the end of the data track
Finally where are the gaps? at the start of every track file or at the end?
For other releases if EAc don't detect me strange gaps i suppose all my dumps will be good if the sector size said by IB = the sector size of the file said by cd mage?
And last one not related to this. By doing a image with protection like this will it be possible to play it without a crack (like if i made the image with clone cd?)
But so if my dump is ok i suppose it's the same for Moto Racer and i'm quiet happy i can continue without loosing lot of times editing bins. So i just loose some hours for no problem
Re: Help dumping Moto Racer (E)
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:13 am
by Rocknroms
Gaps (or pregaps) are at the beginning of every track, so what happens to you is normal if your drive cannot handle this sectors under IB sector viewer. IB has a bug and appends track02 pregap to end of track01 (those 150 sectors are pregap of following track, this is why you have to cut data track).
It's normal that you don't see sector headers under IB.
If your game is protected you have to know what kind of protection it has.
1) If it's a sample .exe protection you can dump your CD and then if you want to play it from backup you can use the crack as always.
2) If it's Safedisc, look and redump as said here --->
/viewtopic.php?t=1045
3) If it's a newer protection (I don't think so) your dump is vain because Redump has not yet added subchannels to DB.
PS: Moto Racer PC seems to have CD Check protection (simply requires CD o be inserted), so it's a simple protection and can be dumped normal way.
Re: Help dumping Moto Racer (E)
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:35 pm
by ulugabi
So for a protected game in a play purpose it will be better to use a clone cd image than a redump.org image since you don't need to use a crack, this is sad since i don't like to use crack.
For your first sentence we came back on the same problem: i understand what u said (specially since it's what i rode in the guide) but i m confused about the sector size. I understood IB can't detect start of audio and it's why we have to remove but what i don't udnerstand is that my data track as a equivalent sector size after remove = to the one said by IB So the bug only happend while ripping? or IB had 150 sectors before the data track when ripping?
Re: Help dumping Moto Racer (E)
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:45 pm
by Rocknroms
Edit: Sorry. IB detects right size but dumps pregap of track02 joined to track01 data, it happens only on ripping