which is correct? (PX-760A vs BW-16D1HT, PX-755A & PX-W4012A)

[fuzzball]

verifying [PC] Heroes of Might and Magic IV (Europe) (Disc 1) (Sold Out Software)

PX-760A
3 errors, crc:0f31dd28, no match db

PX-760A (old)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bk2404ety0yh05v

PX-760A (new)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bedvvzqojwlxwmu

PX-760A (new, 4x)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9x41f2ct5at0nnd

BW-16D1HT, PX-755A & PX-W4012A
no errors, crc:0402f131, match db

BW-16D1HT
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lytwg4j2w89esx2

PX-755A
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t1daweetzn80s9b

PX-W4012A
https://www.dropbox.com/s/00lq5x2zh3yiam4

[fuzzball]

*SOLVED*

verifying [FMT] ElFish Lite (Japan)

PX-760A
logs: https://www.dropbox.com/s/e986a6owd2qwbtj
many C2 errors, can't dump
BW-16D1HT (use /mr)
logs: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4r2lj5e6217tyn9
no error, match db

Is my PX-760A broken?

[NovaAurora]

Have you tried dumping at a low speed on the Plextor? (4x-16x, varies)
Could also be the CD laser going bad on it, 7xx drives are known for that.

[fuzzball]

The dumping by PX-755A matched BW-16D1HT.
It appears that the PX-760A has been broken.

Have you tried dumping at a low speed on the Plextor? (4x-16x, varies)
Could also be the CD laser going bad on it, 7xx drives are known for that.

It's probably a lifetime. I don't want to use an unstable drive, so I'll use a different drive.
Thanks for the advice.

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Disc load count: 6214
   CD read time: 1191:55:01
  CD write time: 00:10:58
  DVD read time: 407:01:29
 DVD write time: 20:19:28

[fuzzball]

Heroes of Might and Magic IV issue was not solved.
The new PX-760A outputs the same result.
Edited the first post.

[fuzzball]

added PX-W4012A logs to the first post.

[scsi_wuzzy]

I have had a similar experience with dumping a PC disc on the PX-760A in the past. Unfortunately, I can't recall the game, but I had a disc that would report no C2 errors when dumped on the 760A, but it had 2-3 ECC/EDC errors when checking sectors after the rip was done. I later used a PX-716A to dump the same disc, and it was free of ECC/EDC errors (and, IIRC, it reported C2 errors in the spot where the ECC/EDC errors were present in the 760 dump, but DIC re-read successfully).

I think the C2 reporting on the PX-760A must have some limitations, and I wonder if there are certain data patterns that are problematic. I think it would be nice if DIC had an option to re-read in cases where there's no evidence the sector is protected (e.g., not part of a protected file and no 312 bit C2 errors or similar) but the ECC/EDC data doesn't match, because there are definitely instances where the 760 (and maybe other models of Plextor drives) will claim no C2 errors but still have errors. And, it's not just a "rip it again and it'll work" situation, either. I ripped that disc probably 4-5 times with the 760A, and it never had C2 errors, but it always had ECC/EDC errors. In contrast, the 716A reported C2 errors in the same spot (IIRC) and successfully re-read.

I guess this is kind of in-line with opinions on the 716 vs 760. Lots of people from back when the 760 came out claimed the 716 was a much better drive than the 760. However, it seems like the 716 drives have reliability problems. The 716 I used to dump the disc that the 760 failed to dump only works when it's feeling up to it. The rest of the time, it just goes into some kinda laser focusing frenzy and rattles the laser lens up and down like it's dancing. It happened to work fine to dump that disc, though.

[F1ReB4LL]

FMT Arquelphos, Eikan wa Kimi ni 3 and Rejection are also affected. Also, there are non-PX drives that give additional track hashes (not matching the ones from the drives mentioned above) without C2 errors, I don't know how to choose the correct hashes.