Gamecube renaming after moving to no-intro...

Hey themabus did I say something bad about pakkiso? Di you read it?

On your logical level, as you said, even DVDs are CDs. And also LP are CD. And if you want even a spiral is a CD.
On my logical level: if a "rounded digital media" cannot be read by the normal way or if only some kind of drives can read it, I cannot call it a standard CD or DVD.

Ok another point to chaos. By the way it's not so important, it's not me who wanted no-intro convention, but it seems that somebody is using no-intro convention to match his wishes (see also what Fireball said), am I wrong?

Read your words

Because you have choosen no-intro and naming convention have a different extention for Nintendo stuff? Because they are non common DVDs?

previous reply, moreover *iso Gamecube images you can find around are normally hacked, fixed, etc. and *.gcm is the regular extension used for Gamecube games.

Huh, it has a lot to do. Why did you want no-intro (including all other changes)? Read again all the posts about (the old ones).

I reapeat again, simply reply "We change extention because we like *.iso"

iR0b0t, ok so why?

Who ever said to mark any media? I'm talking about Nintendo optical media, and mainly Gamecube **. Also PSP needs another extension or are they DVDs?

I said "on your logical level" and not on mine. By the way GDs are well different from any other CDs and we have them splitted in track, so no custom extension is needed.
Once someone will decide to join tracks probably they will need a custom extension.

** ok, I'm tired, I reported many hints about naming them .GCM. Instead I got replies about naming them *.ISO that mean only "because we like it this way" or "because they are DVDs" or "I prefer to talk about something else", not so costructive and wise. So do what you like until project will go nowhere.

it doesn't matter how many drives can read what
hardware gets more flexible with time and standards get expandet - it's an variable you're basing your classification upon

Dreamcast's GDs are the same Saturn protection + HD area + modded TOC

what about 90 minute CDs, 99 minute ones? Plextor's GigaRec? Overburning?
TOC you can modify yourself with .ccd for example
twin sectors, deliberate bad sectors - not every drive will read those right
CDs with larger offsets? - you need drive capable of overreading to access this data
and not so long ago you basically wouldn't be able to read RAW data as well as full subcode at all
you do need custom media to duplicate PSX or Saturn CDs as well as GDs, or maybe modded hardware, or both

the point is - it's not pits & lands or spiral revolutions stored in DB, it's information about logical layer
which is alike for all of those systems

you could include file which would define ring for every Saturn CD, wobble for every PSX, ring & HD for DC, etc
(or note those differences with flag or extension for that matter)
but it simply is useless because it applies to every medium from set in the same way

i reply like this because you keep drawing parallels between GC and DC
(if it's different with GC don't do this please)
and blaming no-intro for messing this up to be leecher friendly, portraing no-intro as something rather negative
(as opposite to you presumably motivated by more noble intentions)
which is absurd anyway - no-intro naming convention do not define extensions
if they were changed at same time it must have been a coincidence
and i'm yet to understand what leechers have to do with this

title reads 'Gamecube renaming after moving to no-intro...'
here's what you said about no-intro in this thread alone:

quite obvious to me you create association of this topic, which you are upset about, with move to no-intro convention
'another point to chaos', 'stupid flags', 'hacked dumps extensions'
you do drag your negative feelings about no-intro along
'it's not me who wanted no-intro', 'you have choosen no-intro', 'Why did you want no-intro', 'We (not everybody and a minority) choose to change to no-intro'
you disassociate yourself from decision to move to no-intro,
hence putting youreslf in opposition as if no-intro=bad, you=good

i'm sorry if i misunderstood anything

here you go about leechers reffering to change of extension, i'm not making this up

could you explain please, what changes can help leechers?
how one (besides wrong one) from several (broken relation) serials in filenames
and separation of records with generic flags contribute to db integrity?
as far as i know you fill db with data from real life, you do not make things up when it gets complicated
for example: if you'd have records of people and there would be 2 persons 'John Smith'
you'd use person's id or father's name, or birthdate, or telephone nr., or address -
something real to make it clear which person is referred to
under no circumstances would you do this: 'John Smith (v1.0)' & 'John Smith (v1.1)', even if they're twins
.dat is just an output of db, it should not present different data from what is in db
it could exclude some flags or be shortened with abbreviations for example, but not create completely different relations
what makes you think it's different with CDs?

most problems i see are legacy from previous naming:
flags being filled with conflicting values, e.g. (demo) in 'Version', when there is version present,
or in 'Edition' when there is one
conflicting real versions with artificial ones, leaving 'Alt' as only means of breaking such records apart
pseudo-flags in title field denoting bonus medium or edition, etc.
broken relations with bonus media
neglecting those problems any longer would only make situation more severe in future
no-intro actually provide means to resolve those problems by introducing additional flags
and definitions of how to use them, though some changes are required, imho, i'm not denying that

you're welcome

that's what i'm trying to say, i don't believe F1ReB4LL thinks the same though

no, but you could have e.g. John Smith (555-1212) & John Smith (555-7777) denoting telephone nr. for example

sure, the same as with most flags for no-intro - ones with default value are omitted

no, the other way around - the same as with the languages
(e.g. you don't drop them whenever English is present)
by transferring partial information to output you loose relations
there could be bonus media bundled with Limited Edition for example
or it could happen that CD1 of other edition match with Original but CD2 don't
but generally this is information that just shouldn't be lost -
if it's 'Custom Edition' in real life - that's how it should be in db, that's how people will look it up, 
and that's how it should appear in .dat respectively

sure, why did you seemed so amused to extent of clapping when i said that?
http://forum.redump.org/topic/4771/nointro-naming/

and you go on after little while

maybe i'm seeing black again

but it does, there simply were not enough flags to handle this and even less rules resulting in situation we have
where would you put (Demo), providing  Version and Edition field are both already filled?

no, i would prefer to mark Bonus with stand alone flag alike to Demo, Beta, and so on
(maybe it even could be this same 'Devstatus' flag, i'm not sure,
i would have to check ordering and situations there currently are in db)
title is just that - title

then why didn't you let this opinion be known to mr. announcer or whoever is pushing him around?

to be frank i couldn't care less about this extension
wouldn't you attack no-intro and pakkiso (that's how i saw it, i'm sorry) i wouldn't reply at all
i tried to explain to you how i see it, though, why this change could have been made - you keep ignoring it
you kept ignoring what iR0b0t and other people wrote - those posts are deleted now
maybe you did it yourself - i don't know, it wouldn't surprise me
if you didn't, ask Dremora to look it up in logs

Ok now it's finally clear at least to me: if someone is not on your side or accomplish with your ideas he is ignoring you (how could you say I ignored you if I reply to every msg, iR0b0t? I remember you deleted also my posts, this is not so correct if you now affirm I've ignored you!) or take it personally (yes themabus, go on with your "black" about me even suggesting I had deleted my own posts. Here you have passed the border, I like you to know!).
Normally people move discussion to a personal stage when they have no more ideas about the real discussion.

Yes and for example this is the "old renaming we used" because tel ns. are serials. Another of your suggestions.
Ah and again, you didn't understand anything even if I explained line by line.
You haven't understood yet that in all my posts you report up again I was referring to your fantastic suggestions and how someone (see you, for example) wants to use no-intro switch, like a great fun game.
On both renaming there are all the flags you need unless new ones we have to create because of digital media issue, by the way those flags aren't the ones you continue to suggest like they were the Graal.
About Fireball, he said explicit that Dremora is working on a new DB when he replied you, and his words are very similar to mine... so what the fuck I have to tell him? Who is ignoring whom?

Ok, from now on I'll try really to ignore you (so you'll be happy) unless when you, both themabus and iR0b0t, will confuse new users and dumpers.

EDIT: Ah themabus, to finish, if you fix EAN sectors in your SCD/SS dump entries, at least post subs or advise "someone" you have checked them!

Did you read somewhere I said you or themabus said ALWAYS bullshit!? Did you read somewhere I said your XBOX research is bullshit!? Did you read somewhere I said themabus' ice, remove and so on are bullshit (I regard him more than once)!? Did you read somewhere I said my words are the Truth!?
Indeed you can read I wanted and needed explanation about your changes and assertions I find weird and / or wrong and I got no rational replies, unless an implicit "because we like it",  and "lols" or "something else" about my replies or tries to change my words, that's all.

STOP

haven't you passed this border long before me, Rocknroms?

where? as i see it basically F1ReB4LL told i should go play with myself

it's an general attribute from real life, opposite to artificial v1.x or Alt, it could be serial in some cases
but you don't understand this, Rocknroms: serials generally won't work -
they can not replace editions, they do not apply to all systems the same,
not even all regions and would you have serials it should be then whole set not just 1st one
otherwise you're loosing data from output - it doesn't map back to real media anymore - it's useless
it's like you'd have a db of cars for example
and there would be that particular Ford model from year 1980, 1981 and 1982,
different colors, tires - such little things
and you'd make an catalog listing only Ford (1980), because it's oldest or something
one of those later releases could come with some accessories probably
but in your catalog you would still associate those with this (1980) as if they'd come with every single release
what sense does this make?! it's a crooked reality - not the way things are
why would anyone want to use this catalog?

could you elaborate, please

what i'm suggesting all the time is to modify db to actually have those additional flags
(no-intro, largely because you kept protesting everything else, because you like serials so much)
with some specific to redump.org corrections applied (like editions for example)

i thought we pretty much agreed on everything earlier today,
even editions, that you protested so passionately all the time,
except cases where there would be multiple ones

now you go again about how great it was with serials and how i'm messing it all up
those problems i noted - originating from lack of flags and rules we had and still have,
and those listed are by no means all,
do not exist in your universe, i guess
would you keep sticking single internal serial to multiple editions,
creating flags within title and version fields, breaking records apart with v1.x or Alt, etc?
well it's not even an database it is a mess, Rocknroms, databases do not work this way
it is a pity you do not see this

no i don't

neither did i say you are dumb or even your ideas are dumb if that matters to you - it doesn't to me